Comments on: Circus of CAPTCHA’s http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/ Raising the awareness of Web Site Accessibility and Marketing. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:18:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Blake http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-265241 Blake Wed, 14 May 2008 04:44:12 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-265241 Hello. I do think captcha is a good thing because it can keep out spam and stuff of that nature. Ok lets say you have a websight that is your own sight and its not really accessable to a blind user. Ok who cares it's a little sight. but a large corporation like myspace should have some way of letting the users bypass the captchas like facebook does where you can varify your account with them. I am a blind user of myspace and when i run in to captchas i am stuck because as you probably know screen reading software can not read the immages. Captchas were not such a bad thing on myspace 2 years ago when all you had to do was use it to sign up. But recently you have to type in a captcha everytime you post a comment or message. That even for sighted users is pointless. Any questions or ideas about this would be welcomed. You can email me at blakehardin5487@gmail.com, or aim me at blindboyblake1, or msn ddw4250@yahoo.com. Hello. I do think captcha is a good thing because it can keep out spam and stuff of that nature. Ok lets say you have a websight that is your own sight and its not really accessable to a blind user. Ok who cares it’s a little sight. but a large corporation like myspace should have some way of letting the users bypass the captchas like facebook does where you can varify your account with them. I am a blind user of myspace and when i run in to captchas i am stuck because as you probably know screen reading software can not read the immages. Captchas were not such a bad thing on myspace 2 years ago when all you had to do was use it to sign up. But recently you have to type in a captcha everytime you post a comment or message. That even for sighted users is pointless. Any questions or ideas about this would be welcomed. You can email me at blakehardin5487@gmail.com, or aim me at blindboyblake1, or MSN ddw4250@yahoo.com.

]]> By: JimboJetset http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-140277 JimboJetset Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:21:17 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-140277 Hmm.... I see you deleted (or refused to post) my counter argument... what you show here is that your argument is flawed and you do not welcome criticism of your view on the use of CAPTCHA images. Blogs like this are pointless and only good for spammers as you are obviously unwilling to let EVERYONE's perspective be heard. Hmm…. I see you deleted (or refused to post) my counter argument… what you show here is that your argument is flawed and you do not welcome criticism of your view on the use of CAPTCHA images. Blogs like this are pointless and only good for spammers as you are obviously unwilling to let EVERYONE’s perspective be heard.

]]> By: Jim http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-139716 Jim Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:18:30 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-139716 The internet is a visual medium that due to technological advances is becoming increasingly available to the Blind which is a great thing... however it was not designed for the blind... this is NOT discriminatory against the blind... it is just fact. "<i>Most offensively, you have called the blind users non-human by using an ineffective and poorly designed test that does NOT distinguish computer from human. ’nuff said.</i>" This is the most laughable argument I've heard... CAPTCHA does help distinguish computer from human... what it does NOT do is distinguish computer from Certain Disabled Humans... Do you expect all web developers on the internet, which by the way is a highly visual medium to cater for ALL human disabilities... try closer to home... is your home FULLY disabled friendly...? I would guess probably not because to do so is unrealistic.... and it is unrealistic to shout down CAPTCHA users just because it dasadvantages a very small section of the human population. I'm not anti-blind.... I wlould welcome ALL users disabled or otherwise however please don't expect me to bend over backward for them... my web space is my virtual home and if it it's not blind friendly then I have only one thing to say... GET OVER IT!!!. The internet is a visual medium that due to technological advances is becoming increasingly available to the Blind which is a great thing… however it was not designed for the blind… this is NOT discriminatory against the blind… it is just fact.

“Most offensively, you have called the blind users non-human by using an ineffective and poorly designed test that does NOT distinguish computer from human. ’nuff said.”

This is the most laughable argument I’ve heard… CAPTCHA does help distinguish computer from human… what it does NOT do is distinguish computer from Certain Disabled Humans…
Do you expect all web developers on the internet, which by the way is a highly visual medium to cater for ALL human disabilities… try closer to home… is your home FULLY disabled friendly…? I would guess probably not because to do so is unrealistic…. and it is unrealistic to shout down CAPTCHA users just because it dasadvantages a very small section of the human population.

I’m not anti-blind…. I wlould welcome ALL users disabled or otherwise however please don’t expect me to bend over backward for them… my web space is my virtual home and if it it’s not blind friendly then I have only one thing to say… GET OVER IT!!!.

]]> By: Fruitbox - inte bara en fruktskål http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-13985 Fruitbox - inte bara en fruktskål Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:54:30 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-13985 <strong>Captchas...</strong> “Captchas” är ett stort problem för blinda och synskadade personer eftersom de oftast är grafiska. De behöver dock inte vara det, och det finns faktiskt platser där alternativa former förekommer. Nu har Google infört ett alternativ ...... Captchas…

“Captchas” är ett stort problem för blinda och synskadade personer eftersom de oftast är grafiska. De behöver dock inte vara det, och det finns faktiskt platser där alternativa former förekommer. Nu har Google infört ett alternativ ……

]]> By: Vince T. http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-13749 Vince T. Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:30:48 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-13749 I'm in touch with several blind people who are unhappy with the Yahoo! CAPTCHA nightmare. Well, the question won't leave me alone - "What then shall we do about it?" So far, contacting Yahoo! directly has proved to be a wild goose chase. Their preferred ways of keeping customers at bay is 1 - refer them to the help pages and (2) answering "customer <strike>care</strike>" queries with automated responses based on, presumably, key words in your e-mail. This is in short a pile of pants, and won't get an answer to an awkward question such as "how does a blind person get access to Yahoo!?". Is it possible to find a humanoid who actually <i>works</i> for Yahoo? or all of them called Eliza or Robbie, and clank when they walk? Perhaps some industrial-grade Googling could unearth their CEO or some other worthy, who should be ashamed of themselves for excluding millions of us poor blindies from their services. Pretty clearly the whole thing is unnecessary when Google (a fierce competitor!) can very quickly respond to the disquiet about their own CAPTCHAs in the blind universe, and other people, as we read here, are finding other answers. Maybe someone is already co-ordinating some action on this, in whcih case I'd be happy to know, or the rest of us might be able to start something. I'd welcome any constructive ideas, so feel free to e-mail me at <a href="mailto:vip_uc@yahoo.com">vip_uc@yahoo.com</a> - yes, my Yahoo! account. The irony's not lost. Kick out the jambs, brothers and sisters! I’m in touch with several blind people who are unhappy with the Yahoo! CAPTCHA nightmare. Well, the question won’t leave me alone - “What then shall we do about it?”

So far, contacting Yahoo! directly has proved to be a wild goose chase. Their preferred ways of keeping customers at bay is 1 - refer them to the help pages and (2) answering "customer care" queries with automated responses based on, presumably, key words in your e-mail. This is in short a pile of pants, and won’t get an answer to an awkward question such as “how does a blind person get access to Yahoo!?”.

Is it possible to find a humanoid who actually works for Yahoo? or all of them called Eliza or Robbie, and clank when they walk?

Perhaps some industrial-grade Googling could unearth their CEO or some other worthy, who should be ashamed of themselves for excluding millions of us poor blindies from their services.

Pretty clearly the whole thing is unnecessary when Google (a fierce competitor!) can very quickly respond to the disquiet about their own CAPTCHAs in the blind universe, and other people, as we read here, are finding other answers.

Maybe someone is already co-ordinating some action on this, in whcih case I’d be happy to know, or the rest of us might be able to start something.

I’d welcome any constructive ideas, so feel free to e-mail me at vip_uc@yahoo.com - yes, my Yahoo! account. The irony’s not lost.

Kick out the jambs, brothers and sisters!

]]> By: Emma http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-6851 Emma Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:22:33 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-6851 I agree that the Zoint's CAPTCHA is one of the best I've seen too. However, they should have a list of different questions that change with each refresh. At present it looks as though they change it as few times as once a day - any spammer that really wants to spam this site will just programme in that variable for the particular day. Apart from that it seems good. Another problem is making these questions as easy as possible so that you can include users with learning difficulties and the like. I agree that the Zoint’s CAPTCHA is one of the best I’ve seen too. However, they should have a list of different questions that change with each refresh. At present it looks as though they change it as few times as once a day - any spammer that really wants to spam this site will just programme in that variable for the particular day. Apart from that it seems good.

Another problem is making these questions as easy as possible so that you can include users with learning difficulties and the like.

]]> By: Tedd Sperling http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5492 Tedd Sperling Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:59:08 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5492 Hi: I don't know if I'm on the right track or not or if what I'm doing is not acceptable to the visually impaired, but it seems that CAPTCHA'a here to stay, at least for a while. So, I thought that I would put my limited programming skills to work and see if I could create a simple solution. I want to provide the visually impaired an audio solution. In that regard, please review: http://xn--ovg.com/snd1 Keep in mind, this only a first step. It's not the final product. If approved, the final product I will publicly post for free. If you have any suggestions or comments, please feel free to send them to me directly: tedd@sperling.com. Thanks. tedd Hi:

I don’t know if I’m on the right track or not or if what I’m doing is not acceptable to the visually impaired, but it seems that CAPTCHA’a here to stay, at least for a while. So, I thought that I would put my limited programming skills to work and see if I could create a simple solution.

I want to provide the visually impaired an audio solution. In that regard, please review:

http://xn--ovg.com/snd1

Keep in mind, this only a first step. It’s not the final product. If approved, the final product I will publicly post for free.

If you have any suggestions or comments, please feel free to send them to me directly: tedd@sperling.com.

Thanks.

tedd

]]> By: Kirsten http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5211 Kirsten Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5211 There's absolutely no reason why CAPTCHAs have to be graphic-based, except that it's easy. Asking the user a simple question based on the content of the site ("What is the name of this blog?") or something that requires them to interpret a question ("What do the letters B, L, O and G spell?") will usually do the trick. If everyone has unique questions on their own blogs, it'd make it very difficult for spammers to collect and submit the right answers automatically. They'd probably try anyway; you could pre-empt this by randomizing the questions and question types, or changing the question every week. It's not that hard to come up with something that can defeat a simple script... There’s absolutely no reason why CAPTCHAs have to be graphic-based, except that it’s easy. Asking the user a simple question based on the content of the site (”What is the name of this blog?”) or something that requires them to interpret a question (”What do the letters B, L, O and G spell?”) will usually do the trick. If everyone has unique questions on their own blogs, it’d make it very difficult for spammers to collect and submit the right answers automatically. They’d probably try anyway; you could pre-empt this by randomizing the questions and question types, or changing the question every week. It’s not that hard to come up with something that can defeat a simple script…

]]> By: GigoIt http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5178 GigoIt Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:37:26 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-5178 Thought you guys might like this. GigoIt's HumanAuth is based off the ideas presented by KittenAuth.com. HumanAuth supports ADA and Section 508 requirements, increased security and includes watermarked images with random positioning. HumanAuth ensures that an actual human is using your site without forcing them to read distorted CAPTCHA text. http://www.gigoit.org/humanauth/ Thought you guys might like this.

GigoIt’s HumanAuth is based off the ideas presented by KittenAuth.com. HumanAuth supports ADA and Section 508 requirements, increased security and includes watermarked images with random positioning. HumanAuth ensures that an actual human is using your site without forcing them to read distorted CAPTCHA text.

http://www.gigoit.org/humanauth/

]]> By: codeman38 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-4933 codeman38 Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:15:22 +0000 http://www.accessibilityblog.com/2006/06/29/circus-of-captchas/#comment-4933 Yahoo's CAPTCHA provides the URL to a contact form in the ALT text, as well as in white text on a white background on the help page (so those without screen readers but with high-contrast custom stylesheets can find it, I can only imagine). Still leaves anyone who's just using a screen magnifier out in the cold, though... not to mention that the contact address is just as easy for spambots to find as if the link had been left out in the open. Yahoo’s CAPTCHA provides the URL to a contact form in the ALT text, as well as in white text on a white background on the help page (so those without screen readers but with high-contrast custom stylesheets can find it, I can only imagine). Still leaves anyone who’s just using a screen magnifier out in the cold, though… not to mention that the contact address is just as easy for spambots to find as if the link had been left out in the open.

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